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Post by harleyst96 on Mar 14, 2008 1:13:10 GMT -5
I am so very disheartened over the candidates running for President In Reality, we know as of now, Fred will not be our President. I feel as if I am in a drownding pool whirling downward every day. I do not feel safe with John McCain....Hillary Clinton or Obama Gloria37074, I don't want you to feel so sad. I'm sure many of us feel what you feel. I do. But, somehow, I hope you can find comfort in the fact that there are others who see what you see, and want what you want. Pertaining to your statement about not feeling safe with the choices that we are left with, I understand. But, somehow, we need to find the strength within ourselves to make it what we want. If we surrender to this despair, we won't be able to do what needs to be done. Talk to everyone you know. Tell them why they need to be afraid. Call your Representatives, tell them how you feel. THEY work for you!!!! Don't worry, Gloria! We have your hand! Melissa M Melissa, you are so right - we need stay here and on Thompson Coalition to stay informed about legislation and our elected officials. The President isn't the be-all end-all - we need to turn the tide in the house and Senate and get more of OUR people in there - if we can win the majority (overwhelmingly), then we can restore balance. Stand Strong!
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Post by harleyst96 on Mar 14, 2008 1:19:19 GMT -5
Conservatives had better start thinking long and hard about a candidate that will stand on principles and the record; not a candidate "that can beat the Democrats" - that is how Republicans have lost in the past and it is how they will lose in this election. Well put Krell! This is exactly how we have ended up where we are today. We have been the "party" faithful since Bush Sr. and all it has gotten us is sliding further and further to the left! The GOP has told us to get behind the nominee and they will make it up to us the next election cycle. Well they never do because they have been corrupted by the same dollars that corrupt the other side!! Even if McCain gives Fred the nod for VP and Fred accepts, my vote is not guaranteed. As much as it hurts me to say this, if Fred were to get the nod and accept, it may change they way I think about the "Consistent Conservative". If his values are what he says they are he sees his friend McCain, politically, for who he really is and he doesn't become a part of it. And please stop telling me that Fred endorsed McCain. There was no valid proof to that "rumor". There was only 1 "source" for that article. An endorsement from Fred would have gotten much more attention than that. As I have said before, just because you are someone's friend does not mean you have to support their every move. This applies in life just as much as it does in politics!! I think I would take another view if Fred were offered and took the VP seat - I would think he'd do it to keep John as much to the right as possible - serving his country to the best of his ability.
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Post by krell on Mar 14, 2008 8:11:18 GMT -5
Well put Krell! This is exactly how we have ended up where we are today. We have been the "party" faithful since Bush Sr. and all it has gotten us is sliding further and further to the left! The GOP has told us to get behind the nominee and they will make it up to us the next election cycle. Well they never do because they have been corrupted by the same dollars that corrupt the other side!! Even if McCain gives Fred the nod for VP and Fred accepts, my vote is not guaranteed. As much as it hurts me to say this, if Fred were to get the nod and accept, it may change they way I think about the "Consistent Conservative". If his values are what he says they are he sees his friend McCain, politically, for who he really is and he doesn't become a part of it. And please stop telling me that Fred endorsed McCain. There was no valid proof to that "rumor". There was only 1 "source" for that article. An endorsement from Fred would have gotten much more attention than that. As I have said before, just because you are someone's friend does not mean you have to support their every move. This applies in life just as much as it does in politics!! I think I would take another view if Fred were offered and took the VP seat - I would think he'd do it to keep John as much to the right as possible - serving his country to the best of his ability. The V.P. has very little to do with where a President stands on anything. The V.P. is usually the means to get votes that the Presidential candidate cannot get on their own. To say Thompson Could keep McCain to the right is ludicrous. Fred would be stuck in a broom closet in the back of the White House. Lots of new McCain videos up at www.pinnaclecascade.com Learn more about the real John McCain.
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Post by krell on Mar 14, 2008 8:12:11 GMT -5
p.s. The only way to hold a President from going to far left is by having a Conservative House and Senate.
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Post by gwtwins on Mar 14, 2008 11:55:04 GMT -5
Okay, who said this? ( … ) who has known Senator John McCain for over three decades said, “…his choice was prompted partly by fear of how McCain might behave in the Oval Office. The thought of his being President sends a cold chill down my spine … He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me”. That would be Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi! Answers to this question and many more can be found at www.pinnaclecascade.com ;D ;D
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Post by gwtwins on Mar 14, 2008 12:45:02 GMT -5
Questions for Krell, BrianB, RinoHunter, & gwtwins:
For whom will you be voting in November? At this point in time I am still uncommitted to any candidate. Unless a miracle happens between now and the election I will most likely write in Fred Thompson.
Can the Republican Party be rehabilitated to the point to suit you? Yes but only if things like Conservatism, Federalism and the Constitution become more than words or pieces of paper! We absolutely must return to first principles!!
Are you leaving the party? No, not yet and most likely not even though my Grandfather was one of the founding members of the Conservative party in New York state. I will just stop giving them money until they put forth a Conservative candidate like they have been promising for the last 20 years or so!! I believe more in fixing something if it's broken rather than tossing it aside and getting something new to replace it. A true Conservative (cheapskate) value.. :-) The GOP needs to be fixed from the inside out.
Will you be happy if the Dem nominee (Obama or Hillary) wins the Presidency? No, nor will I be happy if McCain wins the Presidency. All 3 of them are one in the same.... Socialists! Even though Obama scares me just a tiny bit more than the other 2 I still consider all 3 of them to be the same. Unfortunately it is going to take another Carter-like 4 years to get the next Reagan like President. We are in for a rough ride regardless of which of those 3 gets in. I posted in another thread that I will most likely be moving all my investments to fixed income in November in hopes that I can weather the storm. With the tax changes that they will enact once in office it will no longer pay to be an investor, even a lower middle class guy like myself will get penalized.
Do you believe John McCain is guilty of treason? Possibly based on his actions in the Senate. At the very least he is guilty of sedition. Of his service in Vietnam and subsequent capture I would not call him a traitor but I would call him a coward. I am a veteran and believe that I have a right to say that. I made 2 deployments to the Mediterranean and guarded nuclear weapons on my ship. It was my job to die preventing those weapons from falling into the hands of the enemy. I knew that and I accepted that. He had a duty to try to escape at all times and he failed to do that. Instead he collaborated with the enemy to receive preferential treatment. He should have said nothing more than name, rank and serial number even if it meant a bullet to the head. That was what he was trained to do and so was I. At all costs if captured by an enemy. He failed in his mission, failed his country and most importantly he failed his fellow servicemen and women.
For whom do you think Fred will be voting? I do not know who Fred will vote for but I sense he will vote his conscience as I hope the majority of us will. Only he and God will know what lever he pulls.
These are not meant to be rhetorical questions. I really am curious to hear all of your answers. Brad, no matter what, we all have to do for ourselves what is right for us. I know you are reluctant in support of McCain, and I respect that. It changes nothing I think about you, all good.
Brad
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Post by loriel on Mar 14, 2008 18:57:11 GMT -5
Hello All, I am new here. I am the administrator of FairPrimary.org. This forum which was brought to my attention by some existing members. Thank you to those of you who directed me here. I apologize for the length of this post, but what I have to say is complicated, but urgent. It distresses me very much to hear Republicans buy into the notion that to reject the results of the 2008 Primary is to be disloyal, or that we have no "right" to demand redress, or that we are simply "crying" because we didn't get the candidate that we wanted. Let me be perfectly clear; there is no "crying" involved here. We are ANGRY. We are in DISBELIEF. We are FRIGHTENED for the future of our country. We may cry later. Right now, we fight. Democrats cannot win fair elections, so they pull all sorts of underhanded schemes to try and steal them. They are ravenous for power and will stop at nothing to obtain it. They are hell-bent and poised to make America a Socialist regime. Republicans, we have been much too complacent in abiding this movement toward a nanny state. We have turned our heads, and compromised, and forfeited rights, and given up ground, all to keep the peace, to get along, to appease party leadership, against our own good judgment, much, much too often. I want you to stop and take a very good look at where this has gotten us today: Democrats have corrupted dozens our elected representatives. Liberals have corrupted our party leaders. It was a morally bankrupt party leadership, pandering to liberal interests, which allowed a disloyal, back-biting, opportunistic, RINO to masquerade as a Republican presidential candidate in the first place. Consequently, Democrats have managed to forward one of their own as OUR presidential nominee. The irresponsible, reckless provisions employed in our primary elections: failed the objective of identifying the unifying choice of the majority of the party, invited unaffiliated voters to forward a false front runner, gave this illegitimate candidate even more undue momentum with winner-take-all provisions, offered no protection against the undermining of the will of the majority, even allowed John McCain and Mike Huckabee to devise a scheme to combine their support with a blatant disregard for the will of the voters, in at least one caucus, forced our more promising candidates out of the race before the majority of Republican states even had a chance to cast a vote, and deprived our party of faithful representation in the general election. The mainstream media exacerbated the contrived ruin of our process by means of selective coverage, by showcasing their "Maverick" and speculating outcomes based on their bogus polls. More conservative candidates were completely ignored, denied coverage or given comparitivly little time. Some candidates were even totally excluded from debates. Now, all of this is provable FACT. It is uncomfortable to deal with and to face, I know. Believe me, the leaders of the RNC are counting on our being uncomfortable with not supporting our party, "at all cost". They have relied on blackmail before, and it has worked. This year they intended to blackmail us with the war in Iraq. But this time...the cost is simply too high. This time, they have gone much too far in endorsing an outright RINO to be the president of the United States. We do not have four years to regroup. We cannot afford to look the other way this time. The leadership has contrived to make it too inconvenient, too uncomfortable to fight, but, this is not 2006. Our country is a tipping point RIGHT NOW. This is the most crucial election of our lifetimes. Democrats have ensured themselves a win either way. This is outrageous. This is an absolute scandal. Do you think that the Democrats would put up with Newt Gingrich being THEIR nominee, even for one day??? We have an obligation to fight this. We cannot afford one year of total liberal lunatic policy...let alone four. If you think we can "ride this out" and that the poor leadership will ensure our victory in 2012 you are being very naive. We are still struggling to undo the overwhelming damage done to our country by Jimmy Carter. In 30 years we have turned it around, but the terrorist threat, and the war we are facing today, is a direct result of Carter's insane foreign policy. Multiply this idiocy by 1000. Ammnesty; Global Warming: Mandates, Taxes and Legislation; terrorists in our own jails, supported by US taxpayers. How do you think McCain is going to get funds for the war? He is going to sign on to universal healthcare and sacrafice constructionist judges, that's how. And he will do this liberal bidding, and much, much more, quite eagerly, because John McCain likes to get things done. No, we cannot afford four years of this. If we accept having our primary election hijacked, if we accept the Democrats choice for our own nominee, if we buy into some misguided principle of party loyalty, if we do not stand up for our principles NOW..and demand honest conservative leadership, we are going to lose our country. We are going to lose our Constitutional Republic. It will take DECADES to undo the damage, if we are even able to ever gain power again without staging an outright revolution. Ammnesty alone is going to cost us the sovereignty of the American Southwest. Repatriation of five southwestern states is the stated goal of the illegals. They plan to accomplish this by overrunning those five states and outpopulating the American residents. They are already more than 1/2 way there. Each one of those states has already tipped 51% or more, Hispanic. All five. McCain is their champion. We cannot just give up because it is a difficult prospect. It has been planned and engineered by the corrupted forces that set it into motion to BE difficult...in hopes that we will lie down and accept it. Our leaders need to admit their mistakes and correct this gross injustice on behalf of the members of the Republican Party. Why are we not entitled to a fair, effective primary election process? How can we possibly be wrong in defending our principles; our ideology? How is it wrong to expect faithful representation of the same? Have we lost confidence in the integrity of our beliefs? Have we decided that conservative principles really do not work when applied? Have we decided that we cannot win legitimate support by actually abiding by our principles and allowing them to be proved? Are we ready to abandon our belief in the Constitution, and resign ourselves to pandering to special interest, rather than winning hearts and minds through integrity? If we do this...we will be selling all of our tomorrows for the luxury of complacency today. Please think carefully about this. The 2008 Republican election was a failure, an unprecedented violation of the will of the majority. It couldn't be MORE apparent. Now is the time to act. Now is the time to win the independents who share our convictions. Now is the time to win Christian black citizens to our fold, not by pandering to them like the Democrats, but win them with the truth. Win them with integrity. Show them what this party is really all about. Show them we are willing to fight for our beliefs and not just waddle behind corrupt leaders. Oust the disloyal and spineless Republican representative in Congress. Throw some TEA in the Harbor for Heaven sake; or we will all be explaining to our grandkids why it was simply too uncomfortable, too inconvenient, too politically incorrect to fight, when our Democracy was teetering on the edge. www.fairprimary.org
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Post by creationist on Mar 14, 2008 19:20:03 GMT -5
Way to go!!!!!!!!! That luminated the scene in a wonderful way. I was one of the first to sign on www.fairprimary.org . I was not aware that illegals were wanting to take states away from the U.S. and avenge the Mexican War. Hatred is coming from the liberals, the illegals, and the terrorists, and the liberals are attacking those who want to protect America's borders. You also enlightened me about the long-term consequences of Jimmy Carter and the kinds of compromises that John McCain would make. Sometimes someone just has to express something, and other people realize that it makes total sense and is what they've instinctively known all along. That's what Fred Thompson did for so many of us.
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Post by rayman on Mar 14, 2008 20:03:01 GMT -5
Loriel, may ask which candidate you support(ed)?
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Post by rayman on Mar 14, 2008 20:49:41 GMT -5
Way to go!!!!!!!!! That luminated the scene in a wonderful way. I was one of the first to sign on www.fairprimary.org . I was not aware that illegals were wanting to take states away from the U.S. and avenge the Mexican War. Hatred is coming from the liberals, the illegals, and the terrorists, and the liberals are attacking those who want to protect America's borders. You also enlightened me about the long-term consequences of Jimmy Carter and the kinds of compromises that John McCain would make. Sometimes someone just has to express something, and other people realize that it makes total sense and is what they've instinctively known all along. That's what Fred Thompson did for so many of us. However you search the web, "republica del norte".
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Post by loriel on Mar 14, 2008 21:11:39 GMT -5
Loriel, may ask which candidate you support(ed)? Yes you can ask Rayman. We supported Duncan Hunter, then Fred Thompson, then Mitt Romney. Had the earliest states used some responsible method to identify the unifying choice of the majority, such as the double-tiered ballot or proportionally allocated delegates, one of these three would be our nominee today.
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Post by loriel on Mar 14, 2008 21:52:16 GMT -5
Way to go!!!!!!!!! That luminated the scene in a wonderful way. I was one of the first to sign on www.fairprimary.org . I was not aware that illegals were wanting to take states away from the U.S. and avenge the Mexican War. Hatred is coming from the liberals, the illegals, and the terrorists, and the liberals are attacking those who want to protect America's borders. You also enlightened me about the long-term consequences of Jimmy Carter and the kinds of compromises that John McCain would make. Sometimes someone just has to express something, and other people realize that it makes total sense and is what they've instinctively known all along. That's what Fred Thompson did for so many of us. Creationist, Thank you for supporting FairPrimary. It is not an easy fight. I think I need to do a better job of laying out the brutal facts on the web-site. The reconquista effort is also called Aztlan. I mentioned earlier five states have already tipped over 51% legal Hispanics: Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, and Florida. Florida is not part of reconquista, but Colorado is. Colorado has not yet tipped. Giving Amnesty to 20-30 million illegals (the true estimates) and inviting them to bring their immediate families potentially doubling, tripling, even quadrupling these numbers will be the end of American soverignty in the American Soutwest. McCain was honored by LaRaza in 1999 and was the keynote speaker at their annual conference in 2004. He will give amnesty and invoke the phrase "We are all Gods children" to justify himself and attempt to guilt Christians into accepting the lawless overtaking of a large portion of our country, our property, our cities, our institutions, everything we have built there, all we have invested and maintained will be gone. It's been in the works for years while border senators like McCain, have enabled it, looked the other way, compromised our safety and security, for his own political power. He is their Champion. Two eye opening videos: 1. www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=8112. media.putfile.com/La-Gran-Marcha
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Post by krell on Mar 15, 2008 10:23:59 GMT -5
Loriel - welcome. Glad to have you here. I hope you will visit often and share some insight. As mixed as we are with different thoughts we remain respectful of each others views and opinions. We have a policy against flaming, attacking and against trolls. Our administrator here has removed several persons for outrageous behavior (trolls). I think you will find you are free to express your opinions and present evidence without having your head cut off.
You present some excellent arguements for what some of us have been standing for, without name calling or going over the deep end; just the facts. Nice presentation.
I am the Administrator of the Thompson Coalition and Pinnacle-Cascade. You will find the Thompson Coalition is dedicated to uniting Conservatives to support Conservative local, Congressional and Senatorial candidates and the promotion of Conservative/Federalist Principles. This aim is undertaken by making Conservative web sites aware of each other. Pinnacle-Cascade has pretty much been converted to a "stop John McCain" web site.
So, we need to find an electable Conservative candidate that all Conservatives can get behind and support as an alternative to the sham that has been perpetrated upon us. Do you have any suggestions?
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Post by krell on Mar 15, 2008 15:20:00 GMT -5
Okay, who said this? ( … ) who has known Senator John McCain for over three decades said, “…his choice was prompted partly by fear of how McCain might behave in the Oval Office. The thought of his being President sends a cold chill down my spine … He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me”. Right on gwtwins. That would be Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi! Answers to this question and many more can be found at www.pinnaclecascade.com ;D ;D
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Post by loriel on Mar 15, 2008 20:54:40 GMT -5
Loriel - welcome. Glad to have you here. I hope you will visit often and share some insight. As mixed as we are with different thoughts we remain respectful of each others views and opinions. We have a policy against flaming, attacking and against trolls. Our administrator here has removed several persons for outrageous behavior (trolls). I think you will find you are free to express your opinions and present evidence without having your head cut off. You present some excellent arguements for what some of us have been standing for, without name calling or going over the deep end; just the facts. Nice presentation. I am the Administrator of the Thompson Coalition and Pinnacle-Cascade. You will find the Thompson Coalition is dedicated to uniting Conservatives to support Conservative local, Congressional and Senatorial candidates and the promotion of Conservative/Federalist Principles. This aim is undertaken by making Conservative web sites aware of each other. Pinnacle-Cascade has pretty much been converted to a "stop John McCain" web site. So, we need to find an electable Conservative candidate that all Conservatives can get behind and support as an alternative to the sham that has been perpetrated upon us. Do you have any suggestions? Krell, I will be happy to post links to Thompson Coalition and Pinnacle Cascade on our website Fair Primary. Anyone else who has a site dedicated to preserving our Conservative principles and our Constitutional Republic please post here or e-mail me and I will add your link as well. I have been combing polling data. I would like to share with you that as of the close of Super Tuesday, less than 36% of our total members in Republican states had been given the opportunity vote, before all of our choices were removed. Among Democratic states 76% of their members has been afforded the privilege by the close of Super Tuesday. If you add in the Republicans in Swing states the total members ALLOWED to vote were still less than 40%. We had such a large field of candidates, it was pure negligence to allow winner-take -all provisions with such a fragmented base. Looking at the numbers, Mitt Romney seems to be the unifying choice of the majority IMHO. If we can get enough signatures on the petitions, we may not get a new primary, but we just may force a brokered convention. Like many of you I leaned toward what I perceived as the MOST conservative candidates first: Duncan Hunter and Fred. But if given the choice of Mitt I would be very satisfied, I wouldn't feel like I was settling at all. I was ready to vote for him if given the chance. He's a good man. (the antithesis of McCain) Stand Strong!
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