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Post by creationist on Oct 16, 2008 22:21:41 GMT -5
Yeah, that's probably true that if Fred spoke more, people would be chanting for him to be President. Interesting thought. McCain needs conservatives, and he's got the bulk of them with his "sweet syrup" Palin. I wonder what will happen over the next three weeks before the "election".
In my opinion, Obama's campaign advisers, working for the global elite (like McCain's advisers), gave him poor advice and wanted him to work with ACORN to rig the voting machines. Then he got caught, and people are thinking McCain is more palatable as a result.
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Post by creationist on Oct 21, 2008 18:30:30 GMT -5
I think Fred is one of many former conservatives who has lost his way. Every major conservative leader--although many represent NEO-conservatism (preemptive war, big government, etc.)--is caught up in this "We have to do whatever it takes to stop Obama". I still believe Fred was not selected by the CFR as a candidate, and that rinoHUNTER was perceptive to notice that he temporarily woke up to the fact that McCain is not a good guy (when rinoHUNTER encouraged him). But since then, he's gone astray, from the statements about McCain to the FredPAC endorsements like Lindsey Graham.
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Post by melissamichigan on Oct 21, 2008 19:56:59 GMT -5
If I may, I would like to share something that I have observed. It is very easy to fill in the blanks, and jump to conclusions - especially, here on the internet. No two people, will ever agree on every single issue. When something is written, such as the list of candidates to support, on the Fredpac site, I think it is a great mistake to conclude that the list is complete. Some have expressed disappointment that Patriots, such as James Inhofe, are not listed. The fact is, this list was just presented, and, as we have learned from Fredpac, the site is not very frequently updated. And, I am sorry to say, but, as we have learned from Fred, himself... he sometimes takes a little longer than we would like, to do things. As far as Fred supporting Lindsay Graham, that is very disappointing to many of us, but, as I expressed earlier, we will never agree with another human being on everything. Imagine how many friendships, relationships, marriages, would be over in a second, as soon as we found a point of disagreement. I know that I, personally, would have missed out tremendously on life-changing relationships, if my expectations were this unrealistically high.
Melissa M
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Post by creationist on Oct 22, 2008 0:10:13 GMT -5
I tend to think that Fred has been rather inactive because he may be semi-retired--that is, he is trying to do what he thinks is right, while spending more time than ever with family. (Still, even if he's doing what he thinks is right, it continues to infuriate me that he picked on Obama for NAFTA and deliberately ignored any mention that McCain's stance is the same.) It's purely speculation, though, about why not much seems to be happening with FredPAC. I like how you capitalized "Patriot" and emboldened the "p", Melissa! I like your thoughts here.
Never say "If I may" about sharing something here, because you're a member, and you deserve to be heard because you are respectful! ;D
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Post by bradwisconsin on Oct 22, 2008 8:45:05 GMT -5
It could also be that some of those endorsements are for long-time friends. I also think some of them are made in tight races to try to prevent a Dem supermajority. The ultimate goal is a strong conservative presence and ultimately a conservative majority but it doesn't happen overnight. Keep in mind as well that this PAC became active very late in the election cycle so the slates were already chosen for the most part. The key with FredPAC is the 2009 Governor races (if any) and the 2010 midterms to see if there are primary election endorsements.
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Post by rayman on Oct 22, 2008 21:00:57 GMT -5
But how many disgruntled Fredheads are disapointed when they heard "FRED IS BACK!!!!" to just be left with a list and asked for more donations. WE ARE FURIOUS WITH 2008! Tell me where I'm wrong!
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Post by rinoHUNTER on Oct 22, 2008 21:55:09 GMT -5
Fredheads came, and Fredheads went... I reckon because FredPac was really macPAC, then the list came and it was proven to be rinoPAC. Oh, and then there is a certain troll, roboposting vitriol and hate for those who think for themselves...
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Post by creationist on Oct 23, 2008 9:21:52 GMT -5
www.fredpac.com/NewsRoom/PressRelease.aspx?ID=7c2f938d-1d27-4369-ae47-03a7d46fc0fdDownright folly or deliberate deception. I think he really believes McCain is a good guy, and I say that because most other conservatives who listen to FOX get bits and pieces of who McCain is, but not the full picture. Possibly McCain made false promises in person to Fred Thompson about how he intended to get pro-life judges. And apparently, Fred thinks America as a whole only wants half a loaf of conservatism right now, and all we can hope for is to have a "moderate" (liberal, in actuality). Oh, did you know that Al-Qaeda is excited about McCain maybe being the next President, because they think he will continue the destruction of America that George W. (for "wicked") Bush has accelerated?
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Post by bradwisconsin on Oct 23, 2008 9:57:18 GMT -5
Neither. It goes back to the fact that as much as we all want, we can't change everything instantaneously.
If I recall when Fred entered he said he wasn't going to play the game. That means he knows the game and knows at this point he doesn't have a choice BUT to play the game if he's even considering a run in 2012. That means saying McCain is the better nominee and much of what he said in that interview.
Notice what he says about the branding as the next Ronald Reagan - he didn't say supporters were foolish, he said the media was. There's a reason why the media came out with that right away - I expect most here know that reason as students of history.
As for America as a whole it's not what Fred thinks it's what the people, in their ignorance, have chosen.
As for FredPAC I would have preferred to have seen it sit this one out just because the slate of candidates was for the most part already chosen through primaries when it's creation was announced.
And Al-Qaeda and Iran and others are even more excited about Obama's prospects because of the likelihood that he will not respond appropriately when pressed - instead choosing the do-nothing approach. The same approach Clinton used when Al-Qaeda continuously upped the ante during his Presidency.
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Post by creationist on Oct 31, 2008 14:13:10 GMT -5
In light of the fact that Fred Thompson's recent video supporting McCain has garnered over 50,000 "hits", I see real evidence that Palin and Fred Thompson are together going to give McCain a victory on Tuesday. This is very distressing for me because McCain will destroy what remnants of freedom are left in America, and people will not impeach him any more than they have impeached Bush. Even supposedly anti-Bush people like Pelosi and Reid have refused to impeach Bush. The only one to push for it unabashedly has been Kucinich, who is heroic in the sense that he opposed the bailout and believes America should withdraw from the World Trade Organization and "free trade" deals. He said we are not the "united banks of America". (His pro-choice and pro-gun-control policies are bad, though.) I was disturbed that on the video at FredPAC, Fred Thompson said that free trade deals have been beneficial for our country. Just weeks before, at the RNC, he said Obama was bad about NAFTA, when his position about NAFTA is no different from McCain's! Few people probably noticed that Fred contradicted himself by saying free trade is good, then accusing Obama for supporting NAFTA. Is it too late for our country???
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Post by bradwisconsin on Oct 31, 2008 14:44:50 GMT -5
I think your giving McCain a little too much. Ultimately it's Congress that holds the power. Hence why Obama with a supermaj is more dangerous. McCain with a Dem supermaj would find out real quick that all those "friends" he made over the years in Congress won't be there IMHO.
This campaign shows McCain can't do anything with help. If he had his way Liebermann would have been VP and when push came to shove he had to accept the majority opinion.
The devil is in the details when it comes to positions. Hence McCain's problem - had he not been "reinvented" from 2000 by his campaign handlers he might be running away with it right now.
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Post by strat on Oct 31, 2008 15:29:08 GMT -5
Ask yourselves this question: On March 1st 2009, what will be different with McCain at the helm than things are now?(excluding campaigning of course)
Nothing. The dems will still be doing what they are now, right down to being able to blame a guy with an 'R' by his name, for it.
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Post by creationist on Oct 31, 2008 16:06:43 GMT -5
I just think the next Congress will be Republican once again because of huge backlash against Nancy Pelosi and her ilk. If McCain gets elected, we're going to have Republicans gaining more seats, I think. But no matter whether it's Republican or Democrat, the Congress is going to go along with McCain's agenda because most of the people are cowards who cave in to the pressure of the Federal Reserve and the other powerful villains who are pushing for RFID chips in martial law.
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