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Post by creationist on Sept 5, 2008 17:55:26 GMT -5
This section of the forum is entitled "Fred Thompson News and Speculation", so I am not being dogmatic about any of this--at least, I'm not saying YOU have to come to the conclusions I lay out. But, aside from rinoHUNTER's observation of his apathy toward McCain, there are a couple observations I have, based on Fred's endorsements of McCain. Indeed, he seems to be a very genuine person; Bill Lacy said Fred was adament about keeping no secrets. So it is possible that he is just unwilling to see McCain as being evil. There are two conclusions no one can dispute:
1. The Council on Foreign Relations is a group that no conservative would join, even if some people join the group without realizing that it advocates the abolishment/abolition of our freedoms. Aaron Russo indicated that many CFR people don't even know what the group's leadership does. Whittaker Chambers didn't see the evil of communism until Stalin starting murdering myriads of people. In the same way, people can join the CFR out of naivete. BUT when Fred said he has always been conservative, his decision to join the CFR sends an opposite message. 2. It is not true that McCain is honest. Fred, however, said to Sean Hannity that McCain is honest.
IF--and I remain a little open-minded--Fred gets his orders from the CFR, then he indeed will be a conservative guru like Rush, telling people how to think about traitors like the Bushes and McCain. He has already achieved cult-level status like Rush, in which their opinions are viewed as the most important. The CFR may have initiated the "draft Fred Thompson" campaign and misdirected people's energies towards the Thompson campaign, so that Fred would become a key figure in assuaging people about McCain later on. This would parallel William F. Buckley's rise to prominence, which was actually guided by the Skull and Bones Society, the Knights of Malta, and the CIA. If that is true about FRED, though, Huckabee may have been right that Fred was helping out McCain all along (or rather the CFR). It's possible; Rev. Wright is correct that AIDS was deliberately introduced against black people, but he is wrong that extinction of colored races was the motivation behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki. On the contrary, the A-bombs directed by Skull and Bones member Henry Stimson were, according to documents in the British Museum, directed at the most Christian cities in Japan. The Roosevelt administration deliberately stalled in sending supplies to MacArthur; thus he lost the Philippines, and the Pacific War was prolonged to fit with the progress of the Illuminists' Manhattan Project.
If the CFR did direct Fred's campaign, then it is an explanation for why he wasn't enthusiastic at first. The Rockefellers use our knowledge of the media bias against us; more conservatives flock to McCain when they see that the media is largely supporting Obama. And yet, the argument doesn't really apply to Fred Thompson, because NONE of us chose to become Fredheads just because the media didn't like Fred. The media is ignoring Nader, but that's not increasing his popularity!
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Post by creationist on Sept 5, 2008 23:38:44 GMT -5
Put up your own cogent observations here in this thread.
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Post by rayman on Sept 6, 2008 19:55:26 GMT -5
OK, (R) candidates followed the (D) lead and anounced in Jan. '07. The playing field was out there and rolling. Fred was approached afterwards and agreed, all options weren't exceptable on BOTH sides and agreed to run. Now he is fighting socialist option, pro McPalin. This process is underway and Palinmania is amplifying it. The time to buck the system is mid term with a message "ANTI BUSINESS AS USUAL"! Wake up, see what you got.
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Post by creationist on Sept 12, 2008 16:30:52 GMT -5
Time will tell--and very soon--how far Fred will go in his support for McCain. When McCain pushes for Congress to accept a league of democracies, if Fred continues to support him, there will be no doubt in my mind that Fred himself is a one-worlder.
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Post by creationist on Sept 12, 2008 21:24:09 GMT -5
I still do tend to think that the media ganged up on Fred because they feared him. Fred's story about seeing his youn'un on the stairs and thinking about the next generation, his official story about why he decided to run, was indeed compelling. I'll just have to wait and see how he reacts to McCain's treason in the White House. Then we will see whether Fred's principles or his political party/power really matter to him. And we'll probably then know whether the CFR staged the whole "Draft Fred Thompson" campaign.
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Post by creationist on Sept 12, 2008 21:28:43 GMT -5
Somebody of prominence had to have initiated the "Draft Fred Thompson" campaign. I just don't know who.
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Post by melissamichigan on Sept 12, 2008 21:59:49 GMT -5
Somebody of prominence had to have initiated the "Draft Fred Thompson" campaign. I just don't know who. "Somebody of prominence"? NOBODY is more "Prominent" than WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't ever let anyone convince you otherwise!!!!! Melissa M
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Post by bradwisconsin on Sept 13, 2008 12:40:34 GMT -5
Somebody of prominence had to have initiated the "Draft Fred Thompson" campaign. I just don't know who. "Somebody of prominence"? NOBODY is more "Prominent" than WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't ever let anyone convince you otherwise!!!!! Melissa M Agreed. And let's remember Fred got into this deal late (according to today's political standards) and Lacey even later. Perhaps after SC Fred saw the momentum building for McCain on top of NH and decided the best chance for someone other than McCain would be for him to step aside other than having the conservative vote continue to split. Who knows? I still go by the fact that if the R primaries weren't open or at least not winner-take-all Fred would have beaten the long odds especially if Lacey had been there from Day One. Time wasn't on there side this time and right or wrong Fred didn't want to continue to have people contribute to a campaign wasn't up to HIS standards after SC. And where is the proof on Rev Wright's claim?
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Post by creationist on Sept 13, 2008 12:54:26 GMT -5
The MSM does not give credit to the idea, but you could check out this article. The most credible of the "conspiracy theorists" state it, and actually, Coleman wrote about it long before it became a news-flash in America, for he did research in Africa. www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovie/aids.html
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Post by creationist on Sept 13, 2008 13:20:24 GMT -5
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Post by fredheadbill on Sept 13, 2008 18:29:57 GMT -5
It didn't take very long to find this article about the person who started aids rumor and cure. This is sad really.
"Friday, July 27, 2007 Return from Spookyville
On June 2 I posted a piece called A short trip to Spookyville , concerning the incredible allegations of Dr. Sue Arrigo M.D., allegedly an "ex- CIA physician with high level access".
Briefly, she maintained that HIV/Aids was deliberately unleashed on the world and that there is a vaccine which has been kept secret. She also described running secret missions for thingy Cheney and to have twice treated Osama bin Laden after 9/11. My post was picked up by several conspiracy sites.
It's not that I wasn't skeptical of her claims. In fact I wrote: "Just because someone has an M.D. after her name does not mean that she may not be suffering from mental illness. "
One thing that did intrigue me, however, was that her sister Maria Arrigo, Ph.D., described herself in a paper as "a social psychologist studying intelligence ethics and as daughter of an undercover intelligence officer."
As it turns out Sue Arrigo has another sister, Linda Gail Arrigo, Ph.D. in Sociology, who left a comment on my original post stating in part:
I am sorry to say that my sister Sue Ann Arrigo has periodic episodes of paranoid schizophrenia, and this has been over a period of ten years at least. It is amazing how her wild stories have proliferated all over the web. I have since exchanged a few emails with Linda Arrigo. She writes:
I believe that my sister Sue Ann has been having periodic bouts of paranoid schizophrenia since about 15 years ago. She is convinced that our father was both a member of the CIA and the Mafia, and that he inducted her at a young age into intelligence activities, and that she has been under mind control since then, and subject to frequent kidnapping and threats by agents, wherever she is in the world. However, she has no material or historical evidence of this other than her later memories and physical symptoms, as she reported recently for supposedly being kidnapped in Ireland in early June 2007. I talked by telephone with my mother who was with her right afterwards and accompanied her to the doctor and the police, and my mother now believes Sue Ann is subject to hallucinations.
Our father, born 1914, served 20 years in the U.S. military, about 1941-61, in Europe, the Pentagon, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. His work was logistics, not intelligence. I lived with him in Taiwan 1963-68; my sisters had virtually no contact with him after 1962. He is senile now, in San Francisco, and I sorted through most of his papers during the last few summers. He is not a pleasant personality, but I am certain he had no such CIA contacts or capacity.
If any consistent check were made on Sue Ann's schooling and employment for the last 30 years, it would be obvious that her current allegations of service as a CIA medic are pure fantasy, even if well-informed by public knowledge of current issues in U.S. government behavior.
There are enough real victims of U.S. military and intelligence actions; it is not surprising, perhaps, that victims of schizophrenia like my sister should feed on these accounts. Given the incredible allegations of Dr. Sue Arrigo, the complete lack of supporting evidence, and this statement by her sister, I see no reason to give any credence to her claims. I wish her well. posted by gary "
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Post by creationist on Sept 25, 2008 18:10:07 GMT -5
If you can stomach it, go to FredPAC and play the videos that show up on the front page. I found it extremely disturbing that at the end of Fred's speech (which praised McCain as a war hero who values his country more than himself), he said "Our country is calling" and then "Let us salute him". I felt alarmed by that statement more than by any other, because this is relatively new in America that presidential candidates are supposed to be saluted. George Washington and many others would have taken that as a sign of too much power, as if they were being treated as kings! Fred Thompson was a total demagogue in those speeches, carefully capitalizing on Obama's support for NAFTA while saying McCain never lets others dictate his decisions--and ignoring that McCain likes NAFTA. He also over-did the greatness of Sarah Palin, saying it's the greatest success story in American history, and the wonderful family McCain supposedly has. I had never seen such blatant demagoguery before--not even from the other candidates this election season.
He has prostituted himself.
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Post by creationist on Sept 25, 2008 18:17:02 GMT -5
One thing that is very wrong which Fred says is that America never needs to apologize to the rest of the world. That is not true! We do not need to apologize for our own actions if we have not ruined the world, but we need to apologize for our leaders' policies, such as George Marshall, who deliberately turned millions of Chinese over to the most brutal regime in recorded history.
When Fred espouses many good ideas, like individual citizens handling the AIDS issue instead of a government program, he reveals complete hypocrisy (a la Eisenhower) by carefully distorting the picture of who McCain is.
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Post by krell on Sept 25, 2008 18:34:01 GMT -5
It didn't take very long to find this article about the person who started aids rumor and cure. This is sad really. "Friday, July 27, 2007 Return from Spookyville On June 2 I posted a piece called A short trip to Spookyville , concerning the incredible allegations of Dr. Sue Arrigo M.D., allegedly an "ex- CIA physician with high level access". Briefly, she maintained that HIV/Aids was deliberately unleashed on the world and that there is a vaccine which has been kept secret. She also described running secret missions for thingy Cheney and to have twice treated Osama bin Laden after 9/11. My post was picked up by several conspiracy sites. It's not that I wasn't skeptical of her claims. In fact I wrote: "Just because someone has an M.D. after her name does not mean that she may not be suffering from mental illness. " One thing that did intrigue me, however, was that her sister Maria Arrigo, Ph.D., described herself in a paper as "a social psychologist studying intelligence ethics and as daughter of an undercover intelligence officer." As it turns out Sue Arrigo has another sister, Linda Gail Arrigo, Ph.D. in Sociology, who left a comment on my original post stating in part: I am sorry to say that my sister Sue Ann Arrigo has periodic episodes of paranoid schizophrenia, and this has been over a period of ten years at least. It is amazing how her wild stories have proliferated all over the web. I have since exchanged a few emails with Linda Arrigo. She writes: I believe that my sister Sue Ann has been having periodic bouts of paranoid schizophrenia since about 15 years ago. She is convinced that our father was both a member of the CIA and the Mafia, and that he inducted her at a young age into intelligence activities, and that she has been under mind control since then, and subject to frequent kidnapping and threats by agents, wherever she is in the world. However, she has no material or historical evidence of this other than her later memories and physical symptoms, as she reported recently for supposedly being kidnapped in Ireland in early June 2007. I talked by telephone with my mother who was with her right afterwards and accompanied her to the doctor and the police, and my mother now believes Sue Ann is subject to hallucinations. Our father, born 1914, served 20 years in the U.S. military, about 1941-61, in Europe, the Pentagon, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. His work was logistics, not intelligence. I lived with him in Taiwan 1963-68; my sisters had virtually no contact with him after 1962. He is senile now, in San Francisco, and I sorted through most of his papers during the last few summers. He is not a pleasant personality, but I am certain he had no such CIA contacts or capacity. If any consistent check were made on Sue Ann's schooling and employment for the last 30 years, it would be obvious that her current allegations of service as a CIA medic are pure fantasy, even if well-informed by public knowledge of current issues in U.S. government behavior. There are enough real victims of U.S. military and intelligence actions; it is not surprising, perhaps, that victims of schizophrenia like my sister should feed on these accounts. Given the incredible allegations of Dr. Sue Arrigo, the complete lack of supporting evidence, and this statement by her sister, I see no reason to give any credence to her claims. I wish her well. posted by gary " The poor gal is suffering from schizophrenia because of all the CIA mind control they did to her. (Probably some of that crack she was smokin' too).
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Post by krell on Sept 25, 2008 18:35:38 GMT -5
One thing that is very wrong which Fred says is that America never needs to apologize to the rest of the world. That is not true! We do not need to apologize for our own actions if we have not ruined the world, but we need to apologize for our leaders' policies, such as George Marshall, who deliberately turned millions of Chinese over to the most brutal regime in recorded history. When Fred espouses many good ideas, like individual citizens handling the AIDS issue instead of a government program, he reveals complete hypocrisy (a la Eisenhower) by carefully distorting the picture of who McCain is. Fred who?
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