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Post by rayman on Aug 28, 2008 19:12:55 GMT -5
Only hear say and or rumor. We'll find out for true tomorrow.
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Post by brianb on Aug 29, 2008 8:31:08 GMT -5
The way I see it, anyone who is willing to stoop so low as to accept a VP slot with John McCain is not worthy of trust. I think neither Romney nor Huckabee will be the pick, since the Romney-Huckabee sparring is still very strong within the party. Not that I really care too much who gets picked; it's obvious that McCain is going to get in if he's nominated at the convention, when he's backed by the most powerful people in the world (I mean that very literally; they are more wealthy and powerful than any other people in the world), the Rothschilds. If it's the conservative darling Bobby Jindal, then he's got to be a phony, because NOBODY truly believes that, if he becomes McCain's VP, he can steer McCain back towards the traditional modus operandi. It's not just FAUX News that has sweetened people on McCain through picking incessantly on Obama. (In fact, the media sweetened people on the Soviet Union in WWII because we were fighting the "infinitely worse" Hitler in WWII. Later, historians concluded that it was totally dishonest to claim that.) We have, to blame for this mess, "Operation Chaos" starring Rush "I'm the only one who matters" Limbaugh. And we have every other conservative media in the vanguard--online, TV, radio--to blame as well, because, in perfect concordance with each other, they have all gradually let up on McCain and given him a free pass. The two longest-lasting pretenders were Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, railing against McCain almost daily, and then finally conceding that McCain is inevitable. And then you had Rick Warren's farce, with the notable absense of Chuck Baldwin to "prove" that Baldwin isn't "deserving" of the presidency. Of course, Obama has been nominated just yesterday, according to Brad's report, and Hillary would have been too similar of an opponent for McCain, so that conservatives would be unable to find either of them acceptable. They both are arrogant, deceitful, and openly disrespectful in PERSONALITY (Obama is in a more suave manner), and I think people would have woken up to that come the first debate. On the other hand, Obama has the ability to blunder his way through most speeches, ever since the media destroyed his gains through the Rev. Wright "news". McCain looks more experienced, so it's an easy choice for others. And it's an easy choice for me to determine that he is the most dangerous upcoming leader in America today. I disagree with the majority of this post creationist. I do agree that the "Anyone but Obama" mantra is making McCain more acceptable to the base. However sometimes you must take a long term view. And, unless Palin changes her politics with a change in her address, she is who need in office. And, if McCain does get elected and she is his VP, she is more than likely to be the front runner in the next Republican primary season whether that is in 2012 or 2016. IMHO McCain will run for a second term. Will his VP pick swing my vote? Maybe. Maybe not. But, if it's the right pick I will certainly give the ticket more thought that I have so far. Krell - I'm fairly confident that Jim will be re-elected. It won't be easy because of the funding working against him, but Jim's tenure in the Senate is working for him. He's the number 2 Republican in the Senate and if by some crazy election happenings November and the Republicans get control of the Senate again, Jim might replace Harry Reid.
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Post by brianb on Aug 29, 2008 9:46:37 GMT -5
Palin is his pick. Sounds like the Maverick finally listened to someone other than the Dumbocrats he surrounds himself with.
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Post by junebug on Aug 29, 2008 10:04:36 GMT -5
Hello Fred Heads. I know its been a while since I actually wrote something, but I have been checking in from time to time. When I tell you that I've decided to back McCain you might not to talk to me again. I just heard that he chose Sarah Palin as his VP, which for me is a big move in the right direction. After Obama's speech last night I cannot sit by and let more damage happen to my beloved country. So I'm putting my support behind McCain/PALIN (not the emphasis on PALIN).
I love you all, and I've learned so much from you. I know you join me in praying for the country whatever the outcome. Very respectfully, the Junebug
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Post by junebug on Aug 29, 2008 10:05:31 GMT -5
that should be NOTE the emphasis on PALIN
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Post by krell on Aug 29, 2008 10:23:07 GMT -5
Junebug, you have the right to vote for whomever you like. If that makes somebody not like you then that person isn't worth having as a friend. This is not a dictatorship.
I, on the otherhand, could never support McCain regardless of whom the V.P. pick (Palin now) is. McCain has been a total socialist in his Senate record and does not represent the Constituency of the U.S. When he continues to ramrod amnesty, anti-first amendment, anti-second-amendment legislation down our throats he puts an exclamation point on his dictatorial socialist CFR agenda. John McCain is a conspirator and a traitor in the highest degree. He should be arrested and executed for his treason. John McCain does not represent a single PRINCIPLE or issue that we hold dear. That's my opinion.
Continuing to vote Democrat/Republican is only continuing the slide into the abyss. The only way to truly "CHANGE" the government is to stop voting for the traitor parties that are ruining our nation - Dems/Reps.
I will stay with Chuck Baldwin - the only candidate that is running with us on every single issue we claim we want.
So, I hope that you do not choose to never talk to me again because I have a very different view. God bless you for your succint and courageous comments. You are a blessing.
Brian -
I can only hope the "Conservatives" retake the House and Senate. What a joyous day it would be to have Jim Inhoffe replace Harry Sleeze as the Speaker. Jim has been fighting against the Democrat arm of the CFR and they have had boatloads of money to use against him. Yet he is doing well. I am sure I can say this for all of us, We appreciate all you are doing in Oklahoma to help Jim get re-elected.
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Post by creationist on Aug 29, 2008 10:37:48 GMT -5
The way I see it, anyone who is willing to stoop so low as to accept a VP slot with John McCain is not worthy of trust. I think neither Romney nor Huckabee will be the pick, since the Romney-Huckabee sparring is still very strong within the party. Not that I really care too much who gets picked; it's obvious that McCain is going to get in if he's nominated at the convention, when he's backed by the most powerful people in the world (I mean that very literally; they are more wealthy and powerful than any other people in the world), the Rothschilds. If it's the conservative darling Bobby Jindal, then he's got to be a phony, because NOBODY truly believes that, if he becomes McCain's VP, he can steer McCain back towards the traditional modus operandi. It's not just FAUX News that has sweetened people on McCain through picking incessantly on Obama. (In fact, the media sweetened people on the Soviet Union in WWII because we were fighting the "infinitely worse" Hitler in WWII. Later, historians concluded that it was totally dishonest to claim that.) We have, to blame for this mess, "Operation Chaos" starring Rush "I'm the only one who matters" Limbaugh. And we have every other conservative media in the vanguard--online, TV, radio--to blame as well, because, in perfect concordance with each other, they have all gradually let up on McCain and given him a free pass. The two longest-lasting pretenders were Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, railing against McCain almost daily, and then finally conceding that McCain is inevitable. And then you had Rick Warren's farce, with the notable absense of Chuck Baldwin to "prove" that Baldwin isn't "deserving" of the presidency. Of course, Obama has been nominated just yesterday, according to Brad's report, and Hillary would have been too similar of an opponent for McCain, so that conservatives would be unable to find either of them acceptable. They both are arrogant, deceitful, and openly disrespectful in PERSONALITY (Obama is in a more suave manner), and I think people would have woken up to that come the first debate. On the other hand, Obama has the ability to blunder his way through most speeches, ever since the media destroyed his gains through the Rev. Wright "news". McCain looks more experienced, so it's an easy choice for others. And it's an easy choice for me to determine that he is the most dangerous upcoming leader in America today. I disagree with the majority of this post creationist. I do agree that the "Anyone but Obama" mantra is making McCain more acceptable to the base. However sometimes you must take a long term view. And, unless Palin changes her politics with a change in her address, she is who need in office. And, if McCain does get elected and she is his VP, she is more than likely to be the front runner in the next Republican primary season whether that is in 2012 or 2016. IMHO McCain will run for a second term. Will his VP pick swing my vote? Maybe. Maybe not. But, if it's the right pick I will certainly give the ticket more thought that I have so far. Krell - I'm fairly confident that Jim will be re-elected. It won't be easy because of the funding working against him, but Jim's tenure in the Senate is working for him. He's the number 2 Republican in the Senate and if by some crazy election happenings November and the Republicans get control of the Senate again, Jim might replace Harry Reid. What parts did you disagree with, Brian?
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Post by brianb on Aug 29, 2008 11:21:40 GMT -5
Everything that wasn't listed under what I said I agree with. :-)
Not forcibly disagree. I am just looking at it from a different angle is all.
Chuck Baldwin isn't an option for me. Write-ins are not counted in Oklahoma. Neither Baldwin nor Barr did what was necessary to get on the ballot in Oklahoma.
I am glad that we are here and are identifying all of the issues that we have with the two party systems. George Washington warned of the ills of a two party system and what it would do to the governance of the nation.
Ideally, I am still where I was when Fred dropped out. I'm a Constitutionist. Don't even call me a conservative. That term has been hijacked by the likes of GWB and Rove and those ilk. But, the pragmatist in me says...realistically, you want the representatives that most closely match your views to go do the business of government on your behalf. Given the currently political landscape, we have to do what we have to do to get those people in office that represent us. Looking down the list of my primary votes, the people that were on the ticket that represented my views....still had (R)s by their names.
I know I'm the guy that started that thread that has expanded to 48 pages of post, and is a rabbit hole so deep that we will never see the bottom of it...but effectively we have to grow the leaders of tomorrow locally. And that is the failing we are all guitly of. We have not done enough to hold those closest to us accountable for the decisions that they make on our behalf.
I can tell you this. Anyone that even remotely support anything that is a part of the Democrat Platform, is against where I stand.
Have my representatives done the job I sent them there to do? For the most part yes. My only complaint is with the Executive Branch.
Tell me your plan to bring about "real" change in the system besides voting for Chuck Baldwin. If I had to opportunity to vote for Baldwin, I would seriously consider voting for him. I do not have that opportunity. If I write-in. The ballot gets tossed. The RNC will not be taught a lesson.
You to effect real change? We need to take over the leadership of the Republican Party and effect the changes necessary. I don't know how to accomplish that. I don't have the money to do that. Do you?
Grass roots movements are great to get people into office that we think need to be in office. That does not change the leadership.
Krell. Jim Inhoffe. Someone that we both admire for his strength as a Constitutional guy is voting for John McCain.
Please don't get me wrong. I am not a McCain apologist. Nor am I a Republican apologist. But, I also know that I have to do what I have to do, and the options available to me are limited.
Palin is a heartbeat away from the Presidency, and that will be something I can live with a whole lot easier than Barry and Biden moving into 1600 PA Ave.
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Post by bradwisconsin on Aug 29, 2008 11:28:55 GMT -5
The pick is now known and it should be no surprise that it was Palin. The names been bantied about on the short list for weeks. I have to do some research to see if she is on the same level as Jindahl and Cantor but from what I've heard she is a good conservative (not that McCain will listen to her).
Talk about calling the kettle black - Obama's campaign sniping about her lack of foreign policy experience - like he has any and he's actually running for the Presidency. Also sniping at the small town roots.
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Post by bradwisconsin on Aug 29, 2008 11:31:53 GMT -5
The choice will definitely win some over who weren't going with mccain
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Post by krell on Aug 29, 2008 12:11:57 GMT -5
The choice will definitely win some over who weren't going with mccain Forgive me, Lord. It would really win me over if McCain had a heart attack and died right after the convention. Then Palin could choose a running mate and create a real Republican ticket. In my youth I learned from inside experience how the Democrats groom their candidates. They actually start out with a kid about ten to twelve years old. They get them envolved by volunteering to pass out leaflets door to door; setting up tables and chairs at rallies; selling bumper stickers and buttons ... at local rallies; and telling them why the Republicans are so evil. They tell these kids how wonderful and good they are; how they should keep in mind that one day they could be on the city council and in the state legislature. "And who knows, one day even you could be President". Oh, they know every button to push. This is why Democrats are so fanatic. I know, from first hand experience how the Democrats groom their candidates. But try getting Conservatives or Republicans to spend the time to do this ... forget it. Too much work. So it goes even beyond your local elections. It starts with getting your kids, your friends kids, the neighborhood kids involved in the process. Are you willing to do it? I'm doing it where I am. That is part of why I haven't been on here for six weeks. Get the kids involved.
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Post by fredheadbill on Aug 29, 2008 12:20:28 GMT -5
Palin has my vote.
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Post by bradwisconsin on Aug 29, 2008 12:25:48 GMT -5
On the plus side - it appears at least from a quick search that Palin isn't CFR. Which makes her choice ironic if true doesn't it?
This was a potential early choice - apparently the company responsible for the McCain website had anything Palin related for a domain bought back in March
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Post by krell on Aug 29, 2008 16:00:09 GMT -5
Here is where the CP stands today, 8-29-08:
State Method Requirement Status Alabama Independent Candidate 5,000 signatures 2300 collected Alaska Alaska Independence Party On Ballot! Arizona Independent Candidate Write-In Arkansas Independent Candidate On Ballot! California American Independent Party On Ballot! Colorado American Constitution Party On Ballot! Connecticut Independent Candidate Write-In Delaware Constitution Party On Ballot! District of Columbia Independent Candidate Write-In Florida Constitution Party On Ballot! Georgia Independent Candidate Write-In Hawaii Constitution Party On Ballot! Idaho Constitution Party On Ballot! Illinois Independent Candidate On Ballot! Indiana Independent Candidate Write-In Iowa Independent Candidate On Ballot! Kansas Kansas Reform Party On Ballot! Kentucky Independent Candidate 5,000 signatures 2500 collected Louisiana Independent Candidate filing fee & Electors In Progress Maine Independent Candidate Write-In Maryland Party 10,000 signatures Signatures Filed Massachusetts Independent Candidate 10,000 signatures Signatures Filed Michigan U.S. Taxpayers Party On Ballot! Minnesota Independent Candidate 2000 signatures 1600 collected Mississippi Constitution Party On Ballot! Missouri Constitution Party On Ballot! Montana Constitution Party On Ballot! Nebraska Nebraska Independent Party On Ballot! Nevada Independent American Party On Ballot! New Hampshire Constitution Party Write-In New Jersey Independent Candidate On Ballot! New Mexico Constitution Party On Ballot! New York Independent Candidate Write-In North Carolina Independent Candidate 69,734 signatures Deadline Past North Dakota Constitution Party On Ballot! Ohio Independent Candidate 5000 signatures Signatures Filed Oklahoma Party 46324 signatures Deadline Past Oregon Constitution Party On Ballot! Pennsylvania Constitution Party 24666 signatures 18,000 collected Rhode Island Independent Candidate 1000 signatures 400 collected South Carolina Constitution Party On Ballot! South Dakota Constitution Party On Ballot! Tennessee Independent Candidate 275 signatures 340 collected Texas Independent Candidate Write-In Utah Constitution Party On Ballot! Vermont Constitution Party On Ballot! Virginia Independent Candidate Independent Green Party Label Pending Washington Independent Candidate On Ballot! West Virginia Independent Candidate Signatures Filed Wisconsin Independent Candidate 2,000 signatures 200 collected Wyoming Independent Candidate signatures filed
There will be some shaking up going on in this election.
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Post by rinoHUNTER on Aug 29, 2008 16:03:05 GMT -5
I pray there is some major shaking up of this system, and that it awakens the part of the 545 that still really care about the good people of this nation, and scares the devil out of them. Literally.
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